Sunday, 20 August 2017












Global campaign by priest’s son led to new guidelines for clerics with children

Bishops say principles were drafted in response to Doyle’s request Archbishop Martin agreed to fund support website for priests’ children

PHOTOGRAPH: SUZANNE KREITER/BOSTON GLOBE
Vincent Doyle overlooks above the River Shannon in Athlone where he used to walk with Fr John J. Doyle who Vincent did not know was his father.

It was the early 1980s when Vincent Doyle’s parents first met at a wedding in Co Cavan.
Fr John J Doyle (44) was a Co Longford Spiritan (Holy Ghost) priest, home from the US diocese of Camden, New Jersey.
His mother was a married woman with three children.
Fr Doyle (JJ) arranged for his transfer back to Ireland, to the diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise, and to Longford town near where she lived. The priest would later serve in Ardagh, Co Longford and finally in Edgeworthstown, where he died of lung cancer in June 1995.
By then, his son Vincent was 12. He would be 28 before his mother acknowledged that Fr Doyle was his father. As a boy, he had a very good relationship with the priest, who was also his godfather, he told The Irish Times. “I spent a lot of time with him,” he said.
It was, he feels, probably his father’s influence which later led him to Maynooth where he took a degree in theology, philosophy and English. He then studied for a master’s degree in chaplaincy and pastoral care at the Mater Dei Institute in Dublin and spent a year at a seminary in Spain before deciding the priesthood was not for him.
He has since qualified as a psychotherapist and become engaged. He remains a practising Catholic, with desire to hurt the Church.
It was in 2012 he first had the idea of setting up a website for people like himself whose fathers were priests. It arose from a discussion he had with a woman who was a priest’s daughter.
He went to see then papal nuncio Archbishop Charles Browne, who was very supportive and arranged for him to have a front seat at a general audience no in Rome with Pope Francis on June 4th, 2014, the anniversary of his father’s death.
There he passed a letter in Spanish to the pope, later acknowledged. He had sent a similar letter to the Irish Catholic bishops, asking what they proposed to do about children fathered by priests.


(FOR FUTURE PROJECT. DO NOT PUBLISH.) Handout family photo from Vincent Doyle. A photo of Vincent, left, on June 4, 2014, meeting Pope Francis at the Vatican---he met His Holiness on the anniversary of his father's death.

Back in Ireland, he went to see Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin who, as with Archbishop Brown, he found “very accommodating”.
When he mooted the idea of a website, Archbishop Martin was “very encouraging, really helpful, saying we should do it right”. The archbishop agreed to fund the new website, copinginternational.com.
In 2015, Doyle contacted the Spotlight team at the Boston Globe in the US as “I wanted the story to go international”. They asked him to keep all under wraps while they researched the story more broadly. He agreed to do so. This week the Boston Globe ran a series on children fathered by Catholic priests.
In the interim, Doyle continued contacts with the Irish bishops. They finally agreed the Principles of responsibility regarding priests who father children while in ministry, yet to be published by the bishops in Ireland.
A spokesman for the bishops said yesterday that the text was originally drafted in response to a request from Vincent Doyle.
Signed off
“The principles, having been approved in draft form by the spring 2017 plenary meeting of the Irish Catholic Bishops’ Conference, were sent to Vincent for his review. Having been favourably received by him, the principles were signed off by the standing committee at its meeting on May 29th and were forwarded to Vincent on that date.”
Asked why these principles had not been announced publicly, or published since on the Catholic bishops’ website or any diocesan website, or referred to in the published summaries of the bishops’ 2017 spring or summer meetings, the spokesman said, “it was presumed that Vincent would publish these principles as he saw fit as part of his raising awareness of this issue.”

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Bishops create guidelines for priests with children


The wellbeing of the child should be the primary consideration for any Catholic priest who becomes a father, guidelines approved by Ireland’s Catholic bishops state.
The guidelines say the priest “should face up to his responsibilities – legal, moral and financial. At a minimum, no priest should walk away from his responsibilities.”
In arriving at any decision concerning his child, it is “vital” that the mother, “as the primary caregiver, and as a moral agent in her own right, be fully involved”, the document states. It was also “important that a mother and child should not be left isolated or excluded”.
The guidelines, Principles of Responsibility Regarding Priests who Father Children While in Ministry, were approved by the bishops last May, but have yet to be published on their website or any Catholic diocesan website in Ireland.
They were prepared following discussions with Galway-based psychotherapist Vincent Doyle (34), whose father, Co Longford priest Fr JJ Doyle, died of lung cancer in 1995.
Mr Doyle contacted the Boston Globe and, this week, the American newspaper ran a series on children fathered by priests. Mr Doyle has also set up the website www.coping international.com to help people, such as himself, whose fathers were priests. The website has been funded by Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin.
The guidelines state: “In justice and in love, the needs of the child should be given the first consideration. In the case of a child fathered by a Catholic priest, it follows that a priest, as any new father, should face up to his responsibilities – legal, moral and financial.”
They continue: “At a minimum, no priest should walk away from his responsibilities. His relevant church authority (bishop or religious superior) should also direct such a priest in addressing his responsibilities.”
The Irish Episcopal Conference
Upon ordination priests promise to live a life of celibacy in their dedication to Christ and to pastoral ministry in the Church. However if, contrary to this obligation, a priest fathers a child, the wellbeing of his child should be his first consideration.
The following principles of responsibility attempt to articulate a position based on natural justice and subsequent rights regarding the children of priests. This does not replace the responsibility of arriving at practical decisions which pertains to those children with the common good (whether in the family, Church, or State)


(FOR FUTURE PROJECT. DO NOT PUBLISH.) Ireland, 11/2016, A family hand out photo of Reverend John J. Doyle, the priest who was the father of Vincent Doyle, who created the website Coping International to help connect the children of priests all over the world. (Suzanne Kreiter/Globe staff) The Rev. John J. Doyle (cq)with his son, Vincent Doyle (cq).
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The birth of a child to a couple brings into being a unique person with a mother and a father. The parents have a fundamental right to make their own decisions regarding the care of their new-born child.
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In justice and in love, the needs of the child should be given the first consideration. In the case of a child fathered by a Catholic priest, it follows that a priest, as any new father, should face up to his responsibilities - legal, moral and financial. At a minimum, no priest should walk away from his responsibilities.
His relevant Church authority (bishop or religious superior) should also direct such a priest in addressing his responsibilities
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Each situation requires careful consideration (*) but certain principles present themselves on which the decision of the priest should be made
The best interests of the child
Dialogue with, and respect for, the mother of the child
Dialogue with Church superiors
Taking into account civil and canon law (**)
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It is vital in discerning a way forward that the mother, as the primary care giver, and as a moral agent in her own right, be fully involved in the decision.
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In arriving at a determination regarding these cases, it is important that a mother and child should not be let isolated or excluded.
*In particular, cultural contexts can have an important bearing. However, the moral agency of the mother will remain important to the cultural contexts
**Such laws or norms may include rights of custody and maintenance (civil law) or the process of laicization (canon law) Approved May 2017

900 years of celibacy… and children

The Catholic church has forbidden priests to marry and have families since 1139, but that hasn't stopped them from having children.
  • Following along tradition, celibacy requirement for priests is affirmed at a meeting of the Second Lateran Council
  • Pope Alexander VI is elected by the College of Cardinals after fathering four children as a priest
  • The celibacy requirement is affirmed again at the Council of Trent
  • Pope John XXIII convenes Vatican II, raising hopes that the Church will relax the celibacy requirement
  • Pope Paul VI issues Papal Encyclical re-affirming the celibacy requirement
  • Bishop Eamonn Casey of Ireland resigns following revelations that he fathered a son
  • The Rev. Marcial Maciel of Mexico is forced to resign as leader of the Legionaires of Christ following accusations he sexually abused seminarians and fathered several children by at least two women
  • Bishop Gabino Zavala of Los Angeles resigns after revealing he is the father of two children
  • Argentine Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, later Pope Francis, says priests who father children should resign to support their offspring

PATS SAYS:

After 1500 + years of treating the children of priests and their mothers like dirt on their shoes the Catholic Hierarchy are beginning to move on the question of priest's children.

This movement is to the credit of people like Vincent Doyle and others around the world who have campaigned on this issue.

It is also a credit to the modern media - like the BOSTON GLOBE - who is capable of holding the Catholic Hierarchy to account in ways not possible before.

I have had pastoral experience of helping the women who were pregnant by priests deal with the Hierarchy - and my experience is NOT GOOD!

BISHOP LAURENCE RYAN - KILDARE AND LEIGHLIN:

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Ryan was Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin from 1987 to 2002.

During that time I brought a woman to him who had a baby for one of his priest - a priest he had simply moved from Newbridge Parish to Portlaois Parish.

The woman and I drove in the driving rain on a winter's day to meet Ryan. He sat 15 feet away from us, said nothing, did nothing and never even offered us a cup of tea as the woman wept bitterly in his presence.

BISHOP NOEL TREANOR - DOWN AND CONNOR:


In very recent years I referred a woman to Treanor who had been made pregnant by her parish priest - Father Ciaran Dallat.

Treanor would not allow me to accompany the woman to the interview with him.

The woman found him cold and aloof.

Ciaran Dallat had not only made her pregnant but had gone out to dinner with friends KNOWING that the woman was miscarrying the child in her bathroom.

He called in at midnight on his way home to his presbytery.

Since then Treanor has appointed Dallat as chaplain to Maghaberry Prison.




Has Dallat had other women? Other children?

Only God and Treanor know.


THE CASE OF EAMON CASEY:


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We know how Bishop Eamon Casey treated Annie Murphy and their son Peter.

First denial.

Then attempted adoption.

Then a bribe of £70,000.

Then running away to South America.



Don't be fooled by these "GUIDELINES".

The first thing a bishop will do when a priest fathers a child will be to call in his lawyers to protect Church money from the woman and child.

If a priest father's a child while representing the Church the Church should be financially liable to the woman and child.

But wait and see. Any such help for such a woman or child will be covered by a "gagging" clause and a  "no further liability" clause.

These guys could teach Putin how to suck eggs!

Saturday, 19 August 2017


Melbourne's archbishop says he'd rather go to jail than report child abuse heard in confession

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Denis Hart says ‘communication with God is of a higher order’ after child sex abuse inquiry calls for failure to report to become a criminal offence.

Archbishop Denis Hart says Catholic priests would rather be jailed than violate the sacramental seal. Photograph: Tracey Nearmy/AAP


The archbishop of the archdiocese of Melbourne, Denis Hart, said he would risk going to jail rather than report allegations of child sexual abuse raised during confession, and that the sacredness of communication with God during confession should be above the law.
He was responding to a report from the child sex abuse royal commission calling for reforms that, if adopted by governments, would see failure to report child sex abuse in institutions become a criminal offence, extending to information given in religious confessions.
Speaking to ABC radio 774 in Melbourne, Hart said he stood by comments he made in 2011 that priests would rather be jailed than violate the sacramental seal.
Clergy who fail to report child abuse heard in confession should be charged – royal commission

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“I believe [confession] is an absolute sacrosanct communication of a higher order that priests by nature respect,” Hart said on Tuesday morning.
“We are admitting a communication with God is of a higher order,” he said. “It is a sacred trust. It’s something those who are not Catholics find hard to understand but we believe it is most, most sacred and it’s very much part of us.”
He said much of the abuse that occurred was historical and awareness of abuse was greater now, and he believed it was unlikely “anything would ever happen” today.

But if someone were to confess they had been sexually abused or they knew of someone who had been, Hart said it would be adequate to encourage them to tell someone else outside of confession. For example, he would encourage a child to tell a teacher, who are already mandated under law to report.

Confession, he added, was “perhaps the only opportunity where a person who has offended or a child who has been hurt can have the opportunity for broader advice,” he said.

Meanwhile, the attorney general, George Brandis, responded to the commission’s recommendations by saying there were “important issues of religious freedom” to consider.

Speaking to ABC’s Radio National program on Tuesday morning, Brandis said he was yet to read the recommendations from the child sex abuse royal commission’s report, released on Monday, due to “other ambient political events of the day”, presumably questions around the deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce’s citizenship.

But he said: “The law does and always has protected certain categories of intimate professional relationships.”

In its report the commission said it understood the significance of religious confession, “in particular, the inviolability of the confessional seal to people of some faiths, particularly the Catholic faith”.

“However, we heard evidence of a number of instances where disclosures of child sexual abuse were made in religious confession, by both victims and perpetrators. We are satisfied that confession is a forum where Catholic children have disclosed their sexual abuse and where clergy have disclosed their abusive behaviour in order to deal with their own guilt,” the report said.

“We heard evidence that perpetrators who confessed to sexually abusing children went on to reoffend and seek forgiveness again.”

Father Frank Brennan, a Jesuit priest and professor of law at the Australian Catholic University, joined Hart in saying he would not adhere to any legislative changes.

“And if there is a law that says that I have to disclose it, then yes, I will conscientiously refuse to comply with the law,’’ Brennan told the Australian.
‘‘All I can say is that in 32 years no one has ever come near me and confessed anything like that. And instituting such a law, I say, simply reduces rather than increases the prospect that anyone ever will come and confess that to me.’’
The CEO of the Australian Catholic Church’s Truth Justice and Healing Council, Francis Sullivan, who has previously expressed frustration at the church’s lack of action in addressing child sexual abuse, said the seal of confession was one of the universal laws of the church.

 Even for child abusers, confessional confidentiality is sacrosanct
Joanna Moorhead


4He said should Australia change the law, priests would be expected to obey the law, like everybody else, or suffer the consequences.

“If they do not this will be a personal, conscience decision on the part of the priest that will have to be dealt with by the authorities in accordance with the new law as best they can,” he said.


Brisbane’s Catholic archbishop, Mark Coleridge, said the relationship between priest and penitent in the sacrament of penance is unlike any other relationship, because the penitent speaks not to the priest but to God, with the priest only a mediator.

“That needs to be kept in mind when making legal decisions about the seal of the confessional,” he told his diocesan newspaper the Catholic Leader.

“So too does the need to protect the young and vulnerable in every way possible.”


PAT SAYS:


The "Seal of Confession" has always been regarded as sacred and absolutely binding by Catholic priests.

Confession is about:

1. The Confession of Sin.
2. True sorrow.
3. A firm purpose not to commit the sin again.
4. The performance of a penance given by the priest.
5. The obligation on the penitent to make restitution to anyone harmed.


The priest being told by an abuser in Confession that he has abused - or worse still IS abusing is being put in avery difficult position.

Obviously if the abuser does not promise to stop abusing in the future most priests would refuse absolution.

A doctor or a counsellor in the same position is advised to let the authorities know about the crime.

Some would say that the same obligation should be placed on Catholic priests?

Very often of course the priest will not know the person is or where they are from.

I think a wise priest would advise the penitent to hand themselves over to the authorities and gey help - even if it means also being punished.

This is a big dilema for both the Church and civil authorities.

I would be interested to know readers views on this.

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BISHOP MARY BRIDGET MEEHAN

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Bishop Mary Bridget Meehan will celebrate a Eucharist Service at The Oratory, Larne, tomorrow at 12 noon.

She will speak about her movement in the USA and her desire to spread it world wide.

There will be discussion and dialogue after the Eucharist Service.


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Thursday, 17 August 2017

BISHOP MARY BRIDGET MEEHAN AT ORATORY THIS COMING SUNDAY









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BISHOP MARY BRIDGET MEEHAN AND TWO OF HER PRIEST COLLEAGUES WILL BE CELEBRATING A EUCHARIST THIS SUNDAY - AUGUST 20TH 2017 AT THE ORATORY IN LARNE AT 12 NOON.

They have been invited to celebrate by Bishop Pat and the congregation that meets at The Oratory every Sunday.

They will stay at The Oratory on Saturday and Sunday nights and will be availing of the opportunity to visit The Giants Causeway on Sunday afternoon.

During the ceremony the women priests will talk to the congregation about their vocations and their movement in the USA and worldwide.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND ON SUNDAY AT 12 AND ALSO TO ATTEND A DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS.

The address:

The Oratory
Prince's Gardens,
Larne. Co. Antrim. BT401RQ

THE CEREMONY

Liturgy: Celebrating New Life as Midwives of Grace



GATHERING SONG AND GREETING
Presider:  In the name of God, Midwife of Grace, and of Jesus our brother, and of the Holy Spirit, our Liberator.  ALL:  Amen

Presider:  My sisters and brothers, God loves us infinitely and is with us always.  ALL:  and also with you.
PENITENTIAL RITE

Presider:  Let us pause now for reflection.  Place your hand over your heart and breathe in God’s passionate love for you…breathe out God’s, extravagant love for everyone….
Open yourself to Spirit energy empowering you…

Now let us praise God by singing Glory to God…

Song of Praise: Glory to God, glory. O praise Glory alleluia. 
Glory to God, glory. O praise the name of our God. (x2)
OPENING PRAYER
Presider: God of Love, Midwife of grace, we experience your grace drawing us to new life in the depths of our mystical souls and in our prophetic call. We rejoice with our brother Jesus, through the power of your Spirit.  ALL: Amen. 

LITURGY OF THE WORD
First Reading Isaiah : 56:1, 6.
Responsorial Psalm 22:9-10
Second Reading Galatians 3:28
Gospel Acclamation: Alleluia
Gospel: Matthew 15:21-28
Reader:  The good news of Jesus, the Christ!



Twentieth Sunday in Ordinary Time

Reading 1: Isaiah 56: 1, 6-7

A Reading from the Book of Isaiah:
Thus says the Holy One:
Observe what is right, do what is just;
for my salvation is about to come,
my justice, about to be revealed.
The foreigners who join themselves to God, ministering and loving the name of the Holy One,
and becoming God’s  servants—
all who keep the Sabbath
and hold to my covenant-
I will bring to my holy mountain
and they will be joyful in my house of prayer…
for my house shall be called
a house of prayer for all peoples.
These are the inspired words from the prophet Isaiah

Responsorial Psalm: “Spirit of the Living God, Fall Afresh on Me” Sung from recorded music
Reading 2: Psalm 22:9-10
“Yet, You drew me out of the womb, you nestled me to my mother’s bosom; you cradled me in your lap from my birth; from my mother’s womb, you have been my God.” These are the inspired words from the author of the Psalms.

Alleluia: Celtic Alleluia Sung

Gospel MT 15:21-28

At that time, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
And behold, a Canaanite woman of that district came and called out,
"Have pity on me, Son of David!
My daughter is tormented by a demon."
But Jesus did not say a word in answer to her.
Jesus' disciples came and asked him,
"Send her away, for she keeps calling out after us."
He said in reply,
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
But the woman came and did Jesus homage, saying,  “Rabbi, help me."
He said in reply,
"It is not right to take the food of the children
and throw it to the dogs."
She said, "Please, Rabbi, for even the dogs eat the scraps
that fall from the table of their masters."
Then Jesus said to her in reply,
"O woman, great is your faith!
Let it be done for you as you wish."
And the woman's daughter was healed from that hour.

ALL:  Glory and praise to you, Jesus the Christ!

                           HOMILY

Profession of Faith:  ALL:  We believe in God who is compassion in our world. We believe in Jesus, whose death and resurrection reveals God’s infinite love. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the breath of Wisdom Sophia, who energizes and guides us to live Christ’s presence. We believe in the communion of saints, our heavenly friends, who inspire us to live holy lives. We believe in the church as the people of God, living in faith, hope and love.

GENERAL INTERCESSIONS
Presider:  That we may bring new life into our world, we pray
Response: God of all, love through us
Presider:  That we may foster healing of our Earth, we pray.  R.  
Presider:  That the sick may be healed, we pray.  R.   
Presider:  That we may be forever one with our beloved dead in the communion of saints we pray. R.   (Other Intentions)

PREPARATION OF THE GIFTS
Presider:  Blessed are you, God of all life, through your goodness we have bread, wine, all creation, and our own lives to offer.  Through this sacred meal may we become your new creation.  (hold up bread and wine)
ALL:  Blessed be God forever.
(All come around the table to pray the Eucharistic Prayer, background music may be played) 

Presider:  God is with you, abounding in love
ALL:  and also with you. 
Presider:  Lift up your hearts in Christ who lives and loves , heals and empowers through you.
ALL:  We lift them up to God. 
Presider:  Let us give thanks to our God.
ALL:  It is right to give God thanks and praise.

EUCHARISTIC PRAYER
Voice One:  Life-giving Love, You call all persons to be friends of God. United with You, we are one with all beings in the community of creation as we celebrate the new life occurring in our expanding cosmos. We join the angels and saints as we sing:

ALL: Sung “We are holy, holy, holy, you are holy, holy, holy, I am holy, holy, holy” chant by Karen Drucker

Voice Two:  Gracious God, you set the banquet table and invite all to the feast that celebrates your dazzling love in the universe.  As midwives of grace we are Your hands, lifting up those who suffer, the vulnerable and neglected in our world today

Voice Three: We especially thank you, Holy One, for Jesus, the Compassion of God, who came to show us a new vision of community where every person is loved and all relate with mutual respect.

Voice Four:
Jesus threatened the religious and political leaders of his time and so they put him to death.  As God raised Jesus to new life, we trust that your promise of faithful love will be with us in our suffering and raise us up to fullness of life. 

All: (please all extend hands as we recite the consecration together)
Let your Spirit come upon these gifts as we pray:
On the night before he died, Jesus took bread into his hands and said:
This is my body, he said. Take and eat .
 Do this in in memory of me.

Pause

At the end of the meal Jesus took a cup of wine, raised it in thanksgiving to you, and said:
Take and drink of the covenant made new again through my life in you. Do this in memory of me.

Presider:  Now then, let us proclaim the mystery of the Christ Presence made new again through you:  

ALLIn every creature that has ever breathed, Christ has lived; in every living being that has passed on before us, Christ has died;  in everything yet to be, Christ will come again! 

Voice Five:  .  We thank you for ordinary people in our lives who show us how to love tenderly and have revealed the heart of our God, especially  (pause to remember and name some of these holy women and men). 

Voice Six: And so, liberating God, Midwife of Grace, we hold our religious ministers and political leaders in the light of Christ Sophia, Holy Wisdom.  We pray for our pope and bishops, the young and the elders, and all God’s holy people.


Voice Seven:  We remember those who are sick and suffering.  May they be healed and comforted.  We remember Mary, mother of Jesus, Mary Magdala, Peter, Paul,  Junia, our patron saints.  We remember our loved ones and all those who have died, that they may experience the fullness of life in the embrace of our gracious God.

ALL:  Through Christ, with Christ, in Christ, all praise and glory are yours, Holy God, through the power of the Holy Spirit.  Amen.

THE PRAYER OF JESUS
ALL:  Our Father and Mother . . .

and forever.  Amen.

THE SIGN OF PEACE
Presider:  Let us pray for the peace of Christ in our world as we sing and hold hands in a community prayer for peace (Peace is flowing or other appropriate hymn)

 LITANY FOR THE BREAKING OF BREAD
ALL:  Loving God, You call us to speak truth to power, we will do so. Loving God, You call us to live the Gospel of peace and justice, we will do so. Loving God, You call us to live as Your presence in the world.  We will do so.

Presider:  Behold the Body of Christ.  All are invited to partake of this sacred banquet of love. 

ALL:  Jesus we are worthy to receive you and become you for others.  We are the Body of Christ. 

Presider:  Let us share the Body of Christ with the Body of Christ!  ALL:  Amen.

PRAYER AFTER COMMUNION
Presider:  Life-giving God, You come to birth each day in our universe through suffering death and new life. Your Spirit is moving in us as we love passionately, and extravagantly to bring  your shalom to everyone equally especially the marginalized.
ALL:  Amen

CONCLUDING RITE
Presider:  Our God is with you.
ALL:  and also with you. 

BLESSING
(everyone please extend your hands in mutual blessing)
ALL:  Holy One, Midwife of Grace, we bless one another as we serve others with loving kindness .

DISMISSAL
Presider:   Go, bring forth life as midwives of grace in our world.  Let the service begin!  ALL:   Thanks be to God.

CONCLUDING HYMN

God, A Midwife: Psalm 22:9-10 “Yet You drew me out of the womb, you nestled me to my mother’s bosom; you cradled me in your lap from my birth; from my mother’s womb, you have been my God.”
                              Bridget Mary Meehan
Association of Roman Catholic Woman Priests
http://bridgetmarys.blogspot.com/

www.arcwp.org


PAT SAYS:

I am delighted to welcome Mary Bridget and her two colleagues to The Oratory next Sunday.

I have been a supporter of Catholic Women's Ordination for over 20 years.



As I have said before I ordained Mother Frances Meigh a priest in 1998 and she still ministers as a hermit priest at Forkhill in County Armagh. 

I welcome all those interested next Sunday.

GAY - STRAIGHT versus PROMISCUOUS


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I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE CLARITY ON THE WHOLE QUESTION OF PRIESTS - GAY AND STRAIGHT - AND SEX.

The first thing to say is that the RC Church requires celibacy - and chastity - from all bishops and priests - straight and gay - who have not been given a dispensation like former Anglican priests have.

This means that a bishop or priest should - according to Church teaching and discipline - should not be having sex with ANYONE - either a man or a woman.

So if a "celibate" priest has one or many sexual partners - he is breaking his promises or vows.

Many priests say that celibacy is a bad man made and unjust law and that therefore - in conscience they are not bound to obey that law.

 So my first question today to Blog readers is:

1. IS CELIBACY A BAD UNJUST LAW AND THEREFORE ARE PRIESTS, IN CONSCIENCE, FREE TO DISOBEY IT AND HAVE ONE LOVING SEXUAL PARTNER?


That would be my own personal opinion and I have often talked to priests, inside and outside of Confession, who live their lives in this way.

Of course, other people would call them hypocrites in that they are pretending to be celibate and are not.

Others still would say to them - if you need a sexual partner the most honourable thing to do in to leave the priesthood and stop living a lie. some 250,000 priests have done this since the mid 1960's. 


My second question today to Blog readers is:

2. SHOULD THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALLOW A GAY PRIEST TO HAVE ONE LOVING SEXUAL PARTNER?

My opinion is that the Church should and that the RC Church has got it all wrong on homosexuality - especially homosexuality in the context of ONE loving stable relationship.

Others agree with the Church that homosexuality is a "disorder" and that a sexually active homosexual priest is unfit for ministry.


My third question for Blog readers today is:

3. IS THERE A MORAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRIEST - STRAIGHT OR GAY - HAVING ONE LOVING STABLE PARTNER AND A PRIEST WHO IS A "JACK THE LAD" AND WHO MAKES SURE HE GETS AS MUCH SEX ANYWHERE HE CAN?

My opinion is that there is a moral difference in the sense that there is LOVE in a committed relationship with one person and that being a "Jack The Lad" is all about lust, self-pleasure and using people.


This Blog does not highlight the cases of priests in a loving committed relationship - even though I understand that some people think this is wrong too.

This Blog has been dealing with cases like;

a. The likes of Father Kieran Dallat of Down and Connor who made a parishioner pregnant, left her to have a miscarriage alone in her bathroom and then dropped her like a hot potato.




b. The Case of Father Rory Coyle who used Grindr to show his genitals to a young man - a former pupil of his.

c. The case of Father Eamon McCamley of Keady who masturbated on line at 1 in the morning for all, including parishioners to see.

d. The case of the Raphoe priest who "encountered" a young man in a Derry toilet.

e. The case of another Raphoe priest who hangs around public toilets in Coleraine and the North Coast.

f. The case of another Northern priest who cruises the toilets in the same area dressed in leather.

g. The case of a Dublin priest who was being blackmailed by a young lover/rent boy who it is rumored was paid off by the priest's superiors.

h. The cases of Gorgeous, King Puck, Horny Andy etc of Maynooth and the promiscuous "strange goings on" in that place for decades.




i. The case of a Derry priest with a female lover who was just transferred to another parish with her good self in tact. 

j. The case of a Meath priest cruising truck stops in the midlands.

k. The various goings on at World Youth Day and in "The Meadow" on Lourdes Pilgrimages. 

l. The various cases handled by Sean "The Wounded Healer" Brady solved by a move from a Northern Parish to a County Louth Parish.




m. The case of the faulty computer of Pomeroy.

n. The case of the Maynooth seminarian who lay naked and face down on his bed to "facilitate" "visitors". 

o. The unsolved mystery of the Bray alleged rape.

etc, etc, 


Are folks getting the message?

This is not about a good and human priest falling in love with one person.



This is about the "homosexualisation" of the Catholic priesthood in Ireland and internationally involving seminarians, priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals etc.

And it is about that "gay cabal" becoming so big and so influential, and so widespread as to represent a threat to the Church and the priesthood - not to mention morality.

I happen to be a gay man.

But I do not want the Church transformed into a Gay Church, A Straight Church, A Transexual Church, A Bisexual Church. a Male Church, A Female Church, A Clerical Club Church, etc.

I want the Church to be for EVERYONE.

I want the Church to tolerate and love and accept EVERYONE.

I want the priesthood to be the same - representative of humanity and society as a whole.

I want there to be DIVERSITY within UNITY. 

That cannot happen if any particular TAIL is allowed to wag the WHOLE DOG.

Is that not what we have had with the HIERARCHY TAIL wagging THE WHOLE DOG?

And one very large tail - the gay cabal tail - from New York to Rome to Maynooth is a very problematic tail - and has been so for the last 3 or 4 decades. 

It's got to the point now that celibate gay seminarians and heterosexual seminarians are being driven away!



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